veselekov 2013-11-28 01:42:16

Good point Sab

Soupcat 2013-11-28 08:29:09

The question still remains if an artist SHOULD charge someone for their work. No? Shouldn't moral convictions be taken in to account?

Art should be an expression of ideas and emotions, if you're an anti mainstream, non conforming hippie. Selling your art seems a bit controversial.

Just the other side of the coin; not all art needs to have a price tag.

I don't know if this has been discussed on your post, but there's just too much to go through ;___;

Mindraker 2013-11-28 08:47:17

And yet people submit their contributions for free to Newgrounds...

dannywithnoodles 2013-11-28 09:59:56

Wait, you were making money off of your art at the age of 12?

LegolaSS 2013-11-28 10:34:12

Oh hi, i heard you do art requests, im looking for artists like you to join this collab im running, don't worry it will be a massive hit on newgrounds and will get you lots of exposure, i know this is unpaid, but great experience and since im not selling anything there's no need for any payment. it will only take two or three hours of your time and after all i am a friend, right ;).

- Thank you for your submission to the Newgrounds Xmas Worm-

kthxbai

CielComplex 2013-11-28 19:16:55

I hear a lot from people on TV, on the net, saying "No one is owed a job." They drill it into this generation. And I do agree with that. But much, much less is the message stated "No one is owed cheap or free high-skilled labor."

Sad.

patiger 2013-11-28 21:12:36

A close friend of mine is starting to get into this scene, and even if he's just going to keep his stuff to himself as a personal hobby I'm going to point him to your post here.

I can see how devoting oneself to a subjective craft can lead to doubting much of one's ideas or abilities, so it's neat to see you trying to inject some confidence into your peers.

tyglitchblade 2013-11-28 21:17:02

a real artist doesnt sell their art. you're a poser and you disgust me

BrentHeMan 2013-11-30 15:53:11

Oh jeez, I didn't know it was this crazy in your field, but it does not surprise me. It's good you're wise to the business side of this stuff. There always seems to be people out there trying to get stuff for free/cheap or to outright scam other people out of their hard work.

For technical people, usually it's "hey can you do a quick website for me" or "hey can you take a quick look at my computer" or "I've got a great idea, I need you to code it up for a cut of the profits" (that never come). I don't mind helping people, but I have to be careful because there is almost no such thing as "quick" with this stuff and it can be quite a big time sink.

I've also lost $1000s of dollars and have burned dozens of hours of work due to not getting paid up front. I went so far as to take one group to small claims court, but was DESTROYED by the judge (one of the guys I sued was a lawyer and they're all apart of a good ol' boy's club). They happily continued to use the software I developed FOR YEARS after this. That was a GOOD learning experience ha.

Now I would handle things like you said - get everything in writing, take 50% up front, etc. You have to think of a lot of this like a lawyer would. Sad but true!

BrentHeMan 2013-11-30 21:14:46

Yeah I wish a lot of this stuff was taught way early, like how to manage finances. We NEVER got taught this sort of thing. I'm still figuring this out at 33. Luckily there are TONS of books and other resources out there on this! And then there's the hard way, which has been my way ha.

Asking me to take a quick look usually isn't a problem for me - I'm more than happy to help people. I'm just saying that I personally have to be careful with what I accept. Sometimes a quick look means 20+ hours of work. Believe it or not, people can REALLY royally mess up their computers haha.

I had a friend once where we both did work for each other. He would say "let me put my business hat on" when he wanted to discuss business. I thought this was a pretty good way to segue from friend talk into business talk!

DannyDaNinja 2013-12-17 08:08:33

well thats just sabtastic

Peglay 2013-12-17 10:09:44

99desings is freaking awesome, never won any of the contests but i did end up in the finalists pool, its also great for practicing and improving graphic design work

VicariousE 2013-12-20 01:20:39

I ran into this problem back in the 90's when I was producing commercial video; no pay but 'exposure' and possibly a few hundred bucks within a month of completion.... which probably went to the middle management stuffed shirt, who'd get bonus money for coming in well under budget, by stiffing me. Anyone in any kinda contract/freelance work, is susceptible to the many, varied whims of scammers.

Merry Christmas, to you, your sistas and family :)